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Song alignment
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Song alignment question
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Jun 30 2008, 6:59 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Feb 16 2008, 9:48 AM EST
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The question of alignment of song and phonological units is very interesting. Consider the theory of 3-D representation (from Halle, Vergnaud, Idsardi, and others), with the X-tier representing the line from which various half-planes radiate; these planes are, for example, the feature tier, the metrical tier (for stress), and so on. Dell's question is whether or not song aligns universally only with representations on the syllable tier. What other paraphonological objects align with these 3-D representations, and with which units? What are the implications of these alignment phenomena for our theories of representation?
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RE: Song alignment
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Jun 30 2008, 6:59 PM EDT
The question at the beginning of this thread is whether there are singing traditions in which the linguistic unit involved in the Basic Textsetting Principle is not the syllable. The answer is Yes: in Japanese nursery rhymes, the unit involved in the Basic Textsetting Principle is the mora.
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Doublemoon checking in :)
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Apr 25 2008, 9:33 PM EDT by
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Orthographic evidence
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Paraphonological Phenomena
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Mar 24 2008, 2:01 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Feb 7 2008, 1:00 PM EST
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Here are a couple links to my work on Akkadian that provides a counterpoint to Gnanadesikan's presentation at the conference: http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bdsamuel/pdfs/akkad-handout.pdf http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bdsamuel/pdfs/akkadian.pdf I also have a copy of Poser's handout that inspired my investigation into Akkadian if anyone is interested, but I don't want to post it here in case it's not ok with him.
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RE: Orthographic evidence
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Mar 24 2008, 2:01 PM EDT
There is a nice paper on syllabaries and evidence for innate linguistic knowledge regards syllabification, funny title, courtesy of Harris and Gussmann: 'Word-Final Codas: why the west was wrong'
It is freely available from his website, scroll down to 1997/8: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/johnh/public.html
best, shanti
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the syllable as a locus for tonal generalizations
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Grammatical Phenomena
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Mar 24 2008, 1:39 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Feb 15 2008, 3:31 PM EST
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The discussion of Hakha Lai by Hyman and VanBik makes crucial reference to "syllable" in stating generalizations about where we find tonal contrasts. E.g., F, R, and L tones contrast only in so called smooth syllables (bimoraic syllables which end in a vowel or sonorant). Monomoraic sylables do not bear tone and so called stopped-syllables ending in voiceless stops or glottalized sonorants do not behave like smooth syllables. However, words are largely monosyllabic in this language, so syllable and word appear to cover the same descriptive ground in this language.
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RE: the syllable as a locus for tonal generalizations
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Mar 24 2008, 1:39 PM EDT
therefore, (sorry I got sidetracked)
can we know that the tonal restrictions across 'syllables' are referring to syllables and not to minimal-word-domains ie. feet
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Para- as a term of usage
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Feb 8 2008, 9:33 AM EST by
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Thread started: Feb 8 2008, 9:33 AM EST
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Chuck and I have been discussing the meaning of 'para' in the title of this area and want to make sure that our choice of this term does not negatively influence any thoughts about these sources of data. To speak for both of us (Chuck can correct me if I'm wrong here), we're both very open to the 'methodological anarchism' suggested by Bill Idsardi and consider the sample of diverse sources of observations about syllables represented above as starting points. Thus, our use of 'paraphonological' is more expansive than how the term is used by François Dell in his talk (yes, this site appears to be unicode compliant, ü, ʔ þ ∂ ə, ɠ, etc.). François' use of 'paraphonological' is also more expansive than Bruce Hayes use of the term in his 2002 paper "Faithfulness and Componentiality in Metrics" which references Paul Kiparsky's 1977 LI article "The rhythmic structure of English verse". Both Hayes and Kiparksy use the term 'paraphonological' more narrowly in reference to setting text and meter.
Nomenclature should be helpful in clarifying ideas and not obscuring them. In spirit of this and for better or worse, Chuck and I chose 'paraphonological' as a term to encourage thought about additional sources of data about the syllable. Hopefully, this choice will have the desired effect even though there is overlap in the use of this term.
Eric
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Current Version of Friday Discussion Transcript
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CUNY Phonology Forum: Introduction
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Feb 5 2008, 1:53 PM EST by
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Thread started: Feb 5 2008, 1:53 PM EST
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Hello All,
It should be noted that there is now divergence between the form of the transcript of the Friday Discussion as posted to the website (http://www.cunyphonologyforum.net/Fridisc.php) and the .doc and .pdf transcripts which can be downloaded from http://www.cunyphonologyforum.net/syllable.php. The differences are minor and only fix typos or add clarifying information but please be aware of these divergences. The 'original' .doc and .pdf forms of the discussion are undated while the most recent corrected form contains a note underneath the first line identifying the date of, type of and who made the corrections to the document. Chuck and I will one day work on reconciling the transcripts and the webpage. Please feel free to send suggestions on how the transcript can be improved (e.g. identifying 'unknown speakers', adding clarificational background, finding typos, etc.).
Thanks in advance.
Eric
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The syllable as a locus for deletion
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Feb 3 2008, 3:50 PM EST by
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It isn’t always clear what role the syllable plays in regards to deletion; for example, although consonant deletion in Finnish seems teleologically motivated to ensure proper syllabification, it is not the unsyllabified consonant that deletes. E.g., in lapsi ‘child, nom. sg.’, lasta ‘child, part. sg.’ the first of three consonants drops, which is presumably not syllabified. Similarly, the first of two word final consonants drop: paistos ‘pie, nom. sg.’, paistoksen ‘pie, gen. sg.’ This phenomenon can be captured with a nonsyllabic rule that refers to the following environment: ___C{C, #}, but this was recognized as a loss of generalization more than three decades ago.
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